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  • RebelMan
    Ultra Senior Member
    • Mar 2005
    • 3139

    Official SSP-800 Thread



    Given the number of piecemeal threads floating around regarding the SSP-800 I felt it would be more useful to consolidate the information we currently know about the upcoming processor into a dedicated thread. I believe it would facilitate better record keeping as more information about the SSP becomes available. It is also my hope that this thread would serve as the main stomping ground for any and all discussions regarding the technical and performance aspects of the product and to address questions from potential buyers and learn from the comments of early adopters.

    Introduction

    From inception the SSP-900 project had but only a single agenda and that was the creation of the ultimate audio and video processor with little regard to cost. The many years that went into the research and development exercise finally culminated in a statement product that was on the verge of release in early ‘07. Unfortunately, the over engineered SSP-900 was based on an extremely complex modular design and was very expensive to build.(Street price was originally set for $25,000).

    Achieving quality product yields from volume manufacturing was no trivial task not to mention the product lifecycle that would be necessary to realize a timely ROI. Furthermore, the concept went beyond Classé's core competency of producing strictly high-end audio components. Rather than market the SSP-900 as it was originally envisioned Classé rechristened it as concept vehicle for creating the SSP-800.

    By reducing the modularity of the SSP-900 and stripping it of its video processing boards, the SSP-800 would be half as expensive, easier to build and more reliable. Since most of the R&D work had already been done in the creation of the SSP-900, the SSP-800 only needed to be adapted to the newest hardware standards and consumer needs at the time. Additionally the slimmer SSP would have much greater market appeal catapulting the Classé brand name for quality and performance to a wider audience.

    Audience

    The SSP-800 is simply put a high performance multi-channel audio processing machine. It caters to people that put audio reproduction above all else. It is not in competition for the logo’s title and it is not seeking the most features award either. Classé built the SSP-800 for one purpose and one purpose only and that is to deliver the best audio playback possible. Anyone looking for a conversational piece decorated with ridiculous graffiti logos and silly features that are likely to go unused or underutilized should probably look elsewhere. The SSP-800 is a high-end definition product that is all about getting the most from your audio sources, no more no less.

    Advantage

    The SSP-800 is engineered from the ground up by the Classé Design Team that built the acclaimed SSP-600 and by the principle engineer that brought the Proceed AVP2/AVP2+6 and the cost no object Mark Levinson Nº40 Media Console to market. The AVP2/AVP2+6 is recognized as one of the best processors ever made inheriting much if not most of the Nº40 Media Console's DNA. The SSP-800 result’s from the ultimate culmination of talents between Classé engineering and Proceed/Mark Levinson heritage. The SSP-800 makes no compromises and is the evolutionary next step in high-performance multi-channel audio for both analog and digital sources. (Note: The AVP2+6 originally retailed for $6,895 and the Nº40 Media Console $30,000, circa 2002.)

    Price:

    Original Estimate: $10,000 - 12,000
    Initial Price: $8,000 ( August 2008 )
    First Price Change: $9,000 ( October 2009 )
    Second Price Change: $9,500 ( November/December, 2010 )

    Availability:

    Single-DSP Version - August 2008
    Dual-DSP Version w/HDMI 1.3 - October 2009
    Dual-DSP Version w/HDMI 1.4 Upgrade Board - November/December 2010



    PERFORMANCE

    2CH: According to Classé it is their best yet from the Delta Series.
    UPDATE: 2CH performance has been supplanted by the 2CH pre-amplifier/processor CP-800, announced on September 24, 2010.

    MCH: According to Classé it is expected to be the best available from anyone at any price.
    UPDATE: MCH performance, as of August 2013 (date of the last known review), remains reference quality and continues to be relevant more than 5 YEARS in production.



    CODECS

    Single-DSP Board: STANDARD
    Dual-DSP Upgrade Board: STANDARD + ADVANCED

    STANDARD - Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, dts, dts-ES Matrix, dts-ES Discrete, dts Neo:6 2CH, dts 96kHz/24-Bit, MCH LPCM 96kHz/24-Bit*
    ADVANCED - Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, dts-HD High Resolution and dts-HD Master Audio*

    - Optional +10 dB boost added to each MCH LPCM.
    - Trim compensation features available for early DTS music recordings.
    - Multiple configurations to level settings and manage bass engaged manually, by input or stream type.

    *(Plus other custom modes similar to those available in the legacy SSPs.) (NO THX Post Processing)

    NOTE: All of the current sample rates including 7.1 channels at 192kHz/24-Bit are supported. However, the DAC systems perform best with the lowest THD+N when implemented as 96kHz input. Therefore, the SSP-800 will sample rate convert the signals to 96kHz before going to the DACs.

    Dolby Volume
    As of October 28, 2010 progress is being made on Dolby Volume licensing and there’s still testing to be done but Classé doesn't know when it will be ready.

    UPDATE: Dolby Volume was made available on September 20, 2012 as part of firmware update 2.0.6 for Dual DSPs with HDMI 1.3 and firmware update 3.0.2 for Dual DSPs with HDMI 1.4 Upgrade Board.

    Dolby Pro Logic IIz
    Dolby Pro Logic IIz is of less urgency to Classé because they don’t have people asking for it and it is only useful to people who are not otherwise using the AUX channels for additional subwoofers, bi-amping or feeding another system. Classé is not saying they won’t do it, just that they would like to offer Dolby Volume first.

    UPDATE: Currently there are no plans to offer Dolby Pro Logic IIz at this time or for the foreseeable future.

    Room Correction: 5-Band (per channel) PEQ (manual).

    The MDS DAE DSP upgrade board is capable of Audyssey and Trinnov automated room equalization but support for either feature has been suppressed at present given the complexities involved in proper room correction which cannot be trivialized with the DSP alone.

    In addition, Trinnov's Curt Hoyt, states support for Trinnov in the upgrade board used by Classé would require a new project to port the code over to that platform. As of now, there is no Trinnov code either residing in or available for the TMS320DA710. In contrast, Audyssey code is available through the Performance Audio Suite per the TI data sheet.

    Single-DSP Board: Momentum Data Systems MDS DAE-7 (7101) Module
    - Texas Instruments Aureus DA610 Chip (TMS320D610A-225MHz)
    - TMS320C67x™ Floating-point DSP (2nd Generation Chip) — Offer's the industry’s most advanced DSP C compiler and Assembly Optimizer to maximize efficiency and performance optimized for high-performance audio applications.

    Dual-DSP Board (Upgrade): Momentum Data Systems MDS DAE-7D (7503) Module
    - Texas Instruments Aureus DA710 Chip (TMS320D710A-300MHz)
    - TMS320C672x™ Floating-point DSP (3rd Generation Chip) — Offer's the industry’s most advanced DSP C compiler and Assembly Optimizer to maximize efficiency and performance optimized for high-performance audio applications.
    - FREE, Field Upgradable, Expected later this year ( 2008 ) or the next ( 2009 ).

    Each custom built OEM MDS DSP board is derived from a corresponding stock MDS DAE-6 and MDS DAE-6D DSP board. The boards were engineered to cooperate with Classés home grown system board circuits which include but are not necessarily limited to their own implementation of power supply, volume control and DACs.

    It is believed that both the current DSP and future dual-DSP boards are capable of DSD processing but it was not factored into the SSP-800's specifications. It is unknown whether a later firmware update would enable this feature or not. If significant interest was present in both the user community and in the form of HDMI enabled SACD hardware to make the investment in time and resources worthwhile it could be possible but it would be a long shot at best. EDIT: The SSP-800 does include the DSD DACs (PCM1792s) necessary for optimal performance but not the supporting architecture and as such the signal would need to be converted into MPCM. All HDMI capable SACD players presently provide this facility circumventing the need to implement it within the processor.

    ADCs

    Cirrus Logic CS5381 "Flagship" High-performance Stereo Analog-to-Digital Converter

    DACs

    Texas Instruments/Burr Brown PCM1792 [One for each pair in differential mode.] (L & R, C & S and AUX1 & AUX2)
    Texas Instruments/Burr Brown PCM1796 [One for each pair in differential mode.] (SL & SR and RL & RR)

    Volume Control

    Cirrus Logic CS3318 "Flagship" Analog Volume Control IC Delivering Superior Sound Quality for High-End Surround Sound, Pro Audio Systems
    - One for eight balanced channels and one for four single-ended channels.

    Output Buffers

    Single Ended: National Semiconductor LME49720 Ultra-low distortion, low noise, high slew rate operational amplifier series optimized and fully specified for high performance, high fidelity applications.
    Balanced: National Semiconductor LME49720 Ultra-low distortion, low noise, high slew rate operational amplifier series optimized and fully specified for high performance, high fidelity applications.

    Audio Inputs Analog

    8 RCA: 7.1 Analog bypass ONLY.
    4 RCA: 2.0 Analog bypass OR digital conversion.
    2 XLR: 2.0 Analog bypass OR digital conversion.

    Audio Inputs Digital

    4 S/PDIF - Optical
    4 S/PDIF - Coaxial
    4 HDMI 1.3 OR 5 HDMI 1.4 (Upgrade Board)

    Audio Outputs Analog

    10 RCA: L, R, C, SW, SL, SR, RL, RR, AUX1, AUX2
    10 XLR: L, R, C, SW, SL, SR, RL, RR, AUX1, AUX2

    AUX1 and AUX2 can be used for…
    - Extra subwoofers in a 7.3 configuration. OR
    - L&R subwoofers in a 7.1 configuration. OR
    - Bi-amping the L&R channels. OR
    - Fixed use in another room.

    Audio Outputs Digital

    1 S/PDIF - Optical
    1 S/PDIF - Coaxial
    2 HDMI 1.3 OR 2 HDMI 1.4 (Upgrade Board) NOTE: Standby Pass-Through enabled over HDMI 1 output ONLY.

    Video Inputs

    2 S-Video (Eliminated with HDMI 1.4 Upgrade Board)
    2 Composite
    2 Component
    4 HDMI 1.3 OR 5 HDMI 1.4 (Upgrade Board)

    Analog Devices ADV7802 12 Bit, 140 MHz High-performance Video Decoder with NTSC/PAL 3D Comb Filter Delivering Crisper HD Images
    - Component, S-Video and Composite A/D Conversion and Transcoding
    - Analog video sources can be output as either analog or digital while all digital video sources remain digital.

    Video Outputs

    1 Component
    2 HDMI 1.3
    2 HDMI 1.4 (Upgrade Board)

    On Screen Display Overlay Supports all resolutions up to 1080p for both the built-in LCD and the main display screens.

    Control Ports: IR IN & OUT, TRIGGER OUT1 & OUT2, USB, RS-232, CANBUS IN & OUT

    Foot Print: Same chassis as used by the legacy SSP-600.
    Last edited by RebelMan; 31 August 2013, 17:09 Saturday.
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  • RebelMan
    Ultra Senior Member
    • Mar 2005
    • 3139

    #2
    Keep checking this thread for updates. I should have more specifics in the coming weeks.
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    • sikoniko
      Super Senior Member
      • Aug 2003
      • 2299

      #3
      nevermind, you answered it this morning...
      I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...

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      • RebelMan
        Ultra Senior Member
        • Mar 2005
        • 3139

        #4
        UPDATE: Corrections applied to analog inputs.
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        • RebelMan
          Ultra Senior Member
          • Mar 2005
          • 3139

          #5
          I suspect a befitting article for this thread.

          Suspect no more!!! :T

          New Op-Amps Promise High-End Sound
          August 16th, 2007 — By Robert Harley

          A new generation of operational amplifiers (op-amps) and power-amplifier drivers from National Semiconductor might result in a wholesale improvement in sound quality across a wide range of audio products.

          Op-amps are everywhere: preamplifier linestages, CD players, digital-to-analog converters, and the front ends of power amplifiers, to name just a few product categories. Any component with analog input or output jacks probably employs several op-amps.

          Many high-end product designers face the decision of whether to use op-amps in their products or to realize the circuit with discrete transistors and associated parts (resistors and capacitors). Op-amps are much smaller, cheaper, and easier to implement than discrete circuits.

          An op-amp a fraction the size of a postage stamp can replace a dozen or more discrete components that would consume several square inches of circuit-board real estate. Historically, op-amps have not matched the sound quality of a well-designed discrete circuit (tube or transistor).

          The highest-end products use discrete circuits exclusively; a few designers would never even consider using an op-amp. That’s largely because the op-amps available today are designed for mass-market applications where low cost is the primary consideration.

          But National Semiconductor, a giant in the integrated-circuit industry (revenues of nearly $2 billion), has begun shipping a new family of premium op-amps that were designed from the ground up for optimum sonic performance.

          National’s goal from the outset was to develop an entirely new breed of op-amp whose technical and sonic performance met or exceeded that of a discrete circuit. The result is the LME49xxx series of devices, which sports noise, distortion, and bandwidth specifications that are unprecedented in a monolithic (integrated circuit) audio amplifier.

          For example, THD+N (total harmonic distortion plus noise) is specified at just 0.00003%, and the gain bandwidth is 55MHz.

          As we all know, great specs don’t guarantee great sound quality. Surprisingly, National Semiconductor also realized this and built a dedicated listening room to evaluate the sound quality of its new performance-audio products. The listening room features a fully floating floor and complete treatment with diffusers and bass absorbers.

          The electronics are custom designed, and the monoblock power amplifiers drive Wilson WATT/Puppy 7 loudspeakers. It’s unusual, to say the least, for an integrated-circuit manufacturer to perform listening evaluations on its products.

          The company simultaneously announced the LME49810, a 200V IC that replaces the discrete driver stage in a power amplifier. A power amplifier’s driver stage takes in a line-level signal and amplifies it to drive the amplifier’s output transistors. The LME49810 replaces the approximately 25 components of a discrete driver stage.

          The LME49xxx series of op-amps is aimed at higher-end audio-video receivers (those starting at about $3k at retail), high-end preamps, CD players, digital-to-analog converters, and power amplifiers. The devices are also starting to be used in professional products (a recording console uses hundreds of op-amps).

          National Semiconductor wouldn’t specify which high-end manufacturers will be using these new op-amps, but suggested that the list reads like a Who’s Who in high-end audio. (An illustration in National Semiconductor’s literature shows a Mark Levinson product.)

          The company reports that high-end designers who have tried the new op-amps are extremely enthusiastic about the new devices’ sound quality. If these new op-amps are indeed a breakthrough, listeners might enjoy a significant step up in sound quality in a variety of products.
          Last edited by RebelMan; 25 March 2008, 05:00 Tuesday.
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          • joetama
            Senior Member
            • May 2006
            • 786

            #6
            In for updates...

            That thing should be a beast...
            -Joe

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            • multivac
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2006
              • 18

              #7
              Loads of usefull information regarding the SSP-800 RebelMan.

              Many thanks. :T

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              • KRC
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2004
                • 166

                #8
                Any rumour that there will be trickle done effect where they will be putting HDMI into the SSP 300 and 600.

                Kevin

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                • RebelMan
                  Ultra Senior Member
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 3139

                  #9
                  Thanks for the nice comments folks but really all of the credit belongs to Classe'. They have been quite receptive to my inquiries and supportively forthcoming with many of the answers that they know of today. The people representing Classe' have been exceptional to correspond with. Kudos belongs to them for giving us a closer look into what has great potential extending our enjoyment for audio in all of its forms.

                  KRC, the SSP-300 and 600 will remain unchanged. The SSP-800 is a complete redesign that none of the previous processors can be adapted to.
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                  • ShadowZA
                    Super Senior Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 1098

                    #10
                    Excellent update info & how you've displayed it, RebelMan. In these times of rapid change it's awesome to be able to sit down in front of the pc and glance at a relevant piece such as this and "get it" rather immediately.

                    Kudo's to you for this & many thanks. :T

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                    • RebelMan
                      Ultra Senior Member
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 3139

                      #11
                      Thanks Shadow. Though I must be honest with you, there was some self serving motivation too. :B
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                      • merlinus
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 113

                        #12
                        Will the SSP-800 have the same auto speaker calibration via microphone as the 300 and 600?

                        And I have now been hearing that it will not be available until late June. Anyone have updated information on this?
                        Last edited by merlinus; 05 March 2008, 20:15 Wednesday.
                        merlin

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                        • RebelMan
                          Ultra Senior Member
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 3139

                          #13
                          I believe the microphone will be included. I'll confirm this along with the release date in about a week. Keep in mind the dates you are quoted are probably due to ramp up time. The SSP-800 is due next month but it will take time to infiltrate the marketplace which may mean that some dealers will be short handed when the processor makes its debut.

                          I would like to see mass market availability but if there isn't, an extra month or two of wait time is negligible in the grand scheme of things. I'll be there biding my time no matter what.
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                          • merlinus
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 113

                            #14
                            Thanks for the update.

                            My dealer is loaning me a surround processor, so I will have something to use whilst waiting for the SSP-800. I certainly agree that another few months is no big deal in the long run.
                            merlin

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                            • Minardi2
                              Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 63

                              #15
                              Could be an interesting summer

                              Krell is releasing their upgrade to the S-1000 about the same time the 800 is coming out. I'm looking forward to getting both pieces and the companies respective five channel amps home for a demo to compare them to each other and my resident Krell Showcase gear.

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                              • rxlarry99
                                Junior Member
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 1

                                #16
                                Classe SSP-800

                                I Classe company rep emailed me last week that the Classe SSP-800 won't be available until late June now because of further testing on the unit. I'm thinking of buying one of these too or a Krell. What do you guys think of the Classe SSP-800 vs the upcoming May release of the upgraded Krell S-1000 with it's improved audio DAC's and HDMI upgrade? Do you think the home theater audio performance of the Classe will blow the Krell away, or the other way around? I'm not sure of which one to go with yet, so any input is greatly appreciated!

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                                • Minardi2
                                  Member
                                  • May 2007
                                  • 63

                                  #17
                                  While it's pure speculation at this point, I suspect the Krell and Classe pieces will both be very good, and which one you prefer will come down to how it sounds with your associated gear, along with ease of use and appearance, among other things.

                                  If you like the Krell sound, you'll probably prefer it, or vice versa. Ultimately, it's your call. Like I said in my earlier post, I hope to spend a few days with each one after they street to take them for a spin. If I do, I'll be sure to post my findings here.

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                                  • RebelMan
                                    Ultra Senior Member
                                    • Mar 2005
                                    • 3139

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by rxlarry99
                                    I Classe company rep emailed me last week that the Classe SSP-800 won't be available until late June now because of further testing on the unit.
                                    The slight delay is not related to any testing but rather board revisioning. If any testing delays should be incurred then that will add to the schedule. Classe' has planned for an April release since last summer but in light of some recent events they needed to push the shipping timeframe to the first week in May. Given the higher than expected interest in the SSP-800 it may take another month or two before the SSP completely infiltrates all the dealerships. Classe' needs time to ramp up production to meet potential demand.

                                    Again, at this time, the SSP-800 will be shipping the first week of May but the interested reader (you) may not see one until June or July. The current situation is what the dealers are alluding to with availability dates.

                                    During the interim I have requested more technical information and some photos.
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                                    • RebelMan
                                      Ultra Senior Member
                                      • Mar 2005
                                      • 3139

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by rxlarry99
                                      I I'm thinking of buying one of these too or a Krell. What do you guys think of the Classe SSP-800 vs the upcoming May release of the upgraded Krell S-1000 with it's improved audio DAC's and HDMI upgrade? Do you think the home theater audio performance of the Classe will blow the Krell away, or the other way around? I'm not sure of which one to go with yet, so any input is greatly appreciated!
                                      The Classe' SSP-800 will have a genetic advantage given the engineering that comes from the developmment efforts that went into the highly respectable Proceed and Mark Levinson processors. However, some information is still unknown about the SSP-800 to say conclusively that it will "blow the Krell away" but I suspect it will better it in some fashion. I briefly demoed some of the Showcase pieces a few years ago but preferred the current SSP's. I don't see that changing with the new processor but I'll remain open minded.
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                                      • RebelMan
                                        Ultra Senior Member
                                        • Mar 2005
                                        • 3139

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by merlinus
                                        Will the SSP-800 have the same auto speaker calibration via microphone as the 300 and 600?
                                        The answer I got is no.
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                                        • merlinus
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Feb 2008
                                          • 113

                                          #21
                                          SSP-800 Speaker Calibration

                                          So what means will there be for speaker calibration, if any? And do you know why this feature is not being included, since it reportedly has worked excellently on both the 300 and 600?
                                          merlin

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                                          • RebelMan
                                            Ultra Senior Member
                                            • Mar 2005
                                            • 3139

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by merlinus
                                            So what means will there be for speaker calibration, if any? And do you know why this feature is not being included, since it reportedly has worked excellently on both the 300 and 600?
                                            You'll have manual control over speaker placement and bass management. No automation will be available which is what the microphone provides you with in the SSP-300 and SSP-600. The SSP-800 supplants this feature with manual PEQ which will probably be best left to an acoustician to calibrate.
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                                            • merlinus
                                              Senior Member
                                              • Feb 2008
                                              • 113

                                              #23
                                              This is indeed very bad news. So now I will need to hire a professional acoustician to calibrate my speakers, in addition to a heftier price tag.

                                              What are these guys thinking????

                                              It seems to me that a feature which worked excellently in previous models would certainly be kept in a newer one that costs $3K more than the 300 and $1.5K more than the 600.

                                              And does this mean that being able to have settings for four different listening positions will also be gone?

                                              It is beginning to appear that the 800 is not such a great deal after all!!!
                                              merlin

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                                              • RebelMan
                                                Ultra Senior Member
                                                • Mar 2005
                                                • 3139

                                                #24
                                                To provide continuity to the discussion on calibration I would like to reiterate here what was briefly discussed between merlin and I.

                                                The speaker distances and trim volume settings can be set as needed by hand if one is equipped with a measuring tape and SPL meter. Each speaker can be set to SMALL or LARGE or NONE and the crossover settings set to the desired frequency. The SSP-300 and SSP-600 provided the option to set these settings manually or automatically. However, they did not have room correction but the SSP-800 will and it can only be configured manually.

                                                Classe's research has shown that manual PEQ performs more consistently and more reliably than any auto calibration system currently available and they chose to include it in lieu. But some people may feel uncomfortable adjusting the advanced settings because it can be technically involving. Full control of configuring speakers without the need for an acoustician remains but any room correction (PEQ) should be left to the professionals or the skilled enthusiast.
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                                                • wettou
                                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                                  • May 2006
                                                  • 3389

                                                  #25
                                                  Has any one heard the SSP800

                                                  Has any one heard the SSP800

                                                  I just joined AVR and find that there are some great system on this site.

                                                  My Home theater system equipment is:

                                                  Audio: 7.1
                                                  Speakers:
                                                  5 B&W Nautilus 802D/802
                                                  2 B&W Nautilus 803
                                                  Sub: JL Audio Fathom F113
                                                  Surround Sound Processor: Integra Research RDC-7
                                                  Amplifiers: Classé CA-5200 and Classé CA-2100
                                                  Super Audio CD player: Sony XA777ES
                                                  Blu Ray Player: Panasonic DMP-BD30
                                                  DVD Player: Integra Research RDV-1
                                                  Music Server: ipod with Wadia

                                                  Video Projector: JVC DLA-RS2, Stewart Film Screen 100"d

                                                  Accessories:
                                                  - Speaker cables: Kimber Kable 8TC,
                                                  - Interconnect Wireworld,
                                                  - Component Video Canaree Cables, HDMi cable: VizionWare Hi-Wirez™ 3400
                                                  - Power Conditioner: Furman Pro

                                                  I will post pictures after my new projector is installed
                                                  Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                                                  • RebelMan
                                                    Ultra Senior Member
                                                    • Mar 2005
                                                    • 3139

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by wettou
                                                    Has any one heard the SSP800
                                                    Yes someone has.

                                                    Great system wettou. How do you like the iPod/Wadia combo?
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                                                    • wettou
                                                      Ultra Senior Member
                                                      • May 2006
                                                      • 3389

                                                      #27
                                                      OK so how does it sound is it an improvement over the SSP-600?

                                                      Ipod/Wadia sound quite good but not as good as SACDs.
                                                      Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                                                      • RebelMan
                                                        Ultra Senior Member
                                                        • Mar 2005
                                                        • 3139

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by wettou
                                                        OK so how does it sound is it an improvement over the SSP-600?
                                                        See the opening post for a hint to your question.
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                                                        • RebelMan
                                                          Ultra Senior Member
                                                          • Mar 2005
                                                          • 3139

                                                          #29
                                                          Update I

                                                          Not long ago an inquiry to the SSP-800's audio performance as compared to the competition was raised. At the time one could only speculate about the processor's potential but wonder no more. It's no longer a question of if it will be the best sounding processor but rather by how much?

                                                          The technology that the SSP-800 employs is ground breaking. It will not only rival any other processor available it will also challenge some of the best sounding two-channel platforms as well. I have updated the opening post with some very important information that confirms just how sophisticated this A/V hub is going to be.

                                                          Here is a brief description of what can be expected from one of the many advanced features built into the SSP-800...

                                                          (FWIW, the word I got from a live audition of the SSP-800 involving the part described below was that "it performs extremely well".) :T

                                                          Originally posted by National Semiconductor

                                                          The LME49720 is part of the ultra-low distortion, low noise, high slew rate operational amplifier series optimized and fully specified for high performance, high fidelity applications. Combining advanced leading-edge process technology with state-of-the-art circuit design, the LME49720 audio operational amplifiers deliver superior audio signal amplification for outstanding audio performance. The LME49720 combines extremely low voltage noise density (2.7nV/ √ ^Hz) with vanishingly low THD+N (0.00003%) to easily satisfy the most demanding audio applications. To ensure that the most challenging loads are driven without compromise, the LME49720 has a high slew rate of ±20V/μs and an output current capability of ±26mA. Further, dynamic range is maximized by an output stage that drives 2kΩ loads to within 1V of either power supply voltage and to within 1.4V when driving 600Ω loads.

                                                          The LME49720's outstanding CMRR (120dB), PSRR (120dB), and VOS (0.1mV) give the amplifier excellent operational amplifier DC performance.

                                                          The LME49720 has a wide supply range of ±2.5V to ±17V. Over this supply range the LME49720’s input circuitry maintains excellent common-mode and power supply rejection, as well as maintaining its low input bias current. The LME49720 is unity gain stable. This Audio Operational Amplifier achieves outstanding AC performance while driving complex loads with values as high as 100pF.
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                                                          • wettou
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                                                            • May 2006
                                                            • 3389

                                                            #30
                                                            Thank you for the update, James Dean. Do you work for Classé?

                                                            It looks like in about eight weeks we might see additional information on the SSP-800,
                                                            "patience is a virtue or is it"

                                                            You know I would agree that the SSP-800 might not be as feature rich as a lot of other pre-pro such as the Denon AVP-A1HD let's hope that the sound will blow it away since the pricing is very close 7K vs 8K.

                                                            Denon AVP-A1HD
                                                            - 12 channel A/V Pre-amplifier
                                                            - THX® Ultra2 certified
                                                            - New DDSC-HD circuitry
                                                            - Dolby® TrueHD, DD+ and dts-HD™ Master Audio decoding
                                                            - HDMI v1.3a compatible
                                                            - Analog Devices SHARC processors Burr-Brown 24-Bit/192kHz DACs on all 12 channels
                                                            - Silicon Optix Realta HQV
                                                            - Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with up to eight position setup
                                                            - Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, Windows Vista and DLNA certified
                                                            - Ethernet and RS-232C ports
                                                            - RDS, HD Radio and XM Radio ready
                                                            - 2-way remote capability with optional RC-7000CI and RC-7001RCI remote system

                                                            Here is the full spec
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                                                            • RebelMan
                                                              Ultra Senior Member
                                                              • Mar 2005
                                                              • 3139

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by wettou
                                                              Thank you for the update, James Dean. Do you work for Classé?
                                                              You’re quite welcome. I do not work for Classe’ and for the record they show me no favoritism. I pay my way just like everybody else. However, they have been VERY gracious to allow a conduit of information to flow. They earned my business from the quality they build into every product they make and my respect and loyalty for the level of service that they have provided. I have no reservations in expressing my enthusiasm and gratitude in return.

                                                              It looks like in about eight weeks we might see additional information on the SSP-800,
                                                              "patience is a virtue or is it."
                                                              It’s up to the powers that be and I need to tread carefully and respectfully to all of the constituents involved. I can’t begin to tell you how kind Classe’ has been with regard to sharing information.

                                                              You know I would agree that the SSP-800 might not be as feature rich as a lot of other pre-pro such as the Denon AVP-A1HD let's hope that the sound will blow it away since the pricing is very close 7K vs 8K.
                                                              There’s absolutely no question that it will.

                                                              Denon AVP-A1HD
                                                              - 12 channel A/V Pre-amplifier – The SSP-800 covers all the necessary bases with 10 channels.
                                                              - THX® Ultra2 certified – The SSP-800 exceeds the THX Ultra 2 specifications.
                                                              - New DDSC-HD circuitry – A proprietary format that does what better than established processing schemes?
                                                              - Dolby® TrueHD, DD+ and dts-HD™ Master Audio decoding – The SSP-800 was designed with this capability in mind but it is not necessary to enjoy the new audio formats.
                                                              - HDMI v1.3a compatible – Included in the SSP-800.
                                                              - Analog Devices SHARC processors Burr-Brown 24-Bit/192kHz DACs on all 12 channels – The upgradeable MDA Module would employ an advanced TI Aureus DSP for the HD codecs and the TI Burr-Brown PCM1792/PCM1796 DACs and their implementation across all 10 channels is superior in the SSP-800.
                                                              - Silicon Optix Realta HQV – Unnecessary for HD formats and most people that care for high quality video processing of SD formats already have similar capabilities built into their DVD player or add-on scaler.
                                                              - Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with up to eight position setup – It doesn’t work and for most people that have tried it have discontinue using it. It creates more problems than it solves. The manual PEQ in the SSP-800 is rock solid and it works!
                                                              - Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, Windows Vista and DLNA certified – Irrelevant UNLESS you intend to stream ALL of your digital content which, if you haven’t tried it, you’ll find dreadful with quality SD content and to a lessor extent with quality HD content. Why needlessly replicate what is already provided by (soon to be many) source devices? PS3 anyone?
                                                              - Ethernet and RS-232C ports – Convenience features only with very little real value but the SSP-800 does include the RS-232 and USB interfaces for firmware updates.
                                                              - RDS, HD Radio and XM Radio ready – Again, not important to include in an processor when source devices already provide these features and more.
                                                              - 2-way remote capability with optional RC-7000CI and RC-7001RCI remote system – Not sure why this matters. If all you had was the AVP-A1HD (which from the specifications seems to be what Denon is trying to achieve) you wouldn’t need this feature but if it wasn’t, there are several more conducive alternatives.

                                                              I would like to add a few comments as it pertains to Denon's new flagship.

                                                              First, the AVP-A1HD provides a little bit of everything establishing it as nothing more than the Swiss Army knife of A/V processors. Furthermore, the AVP-A1HD demonstrates the ol'e 80/20 rule at it's finest. There is no rational for investing 80% of your dollars into something for which you'll only be utilizing 20% of its capabilities.

                                                              Second, Denon is using the AVP-A1HD and companion amplifier to re-brand its tarnished image. Denon did its self a huge disservice during the 90's by selling out to the masses Wal-Mart style and now it is trying to recapture its once well regarded legacy. I ask, who would ever want to trust a company that put profitable gain ahead of sound quality? Perhaps some good will come of their recent efforts but I'm not the type to take those kinds of chances.

                                                              Classe' on the other hand has always put quality and performance at the top of their priorities. The SSP-800 is another example in a long list of examples which have never wavered from their mission to build the finest equipment possible at reasonable costs.
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                                                              • wettou
                                                                Ultra Senior Member
                                                                • May 2006
                                                                • 3389

                                                                #32
                                                                Hello James,

                                                                Yes I agree Classé customer service is very good I experienced it first hand and was very impressed. I had an amp that was making some noise at high volume and they replaced it!

                                                                I don't see the mass merchant electronic companies do this.

                                                                I also have direct contact with Classé and they are very responsive. I am curious about some of your comments. Its seems that you have first hand experience with the SSP-800 and was wondering if you were one of their beta tester or had already had access to this unit?

                                                                I don't particulary like Denon, I had a receiver once and only had problems with it, on the otherhand I have had the Yamaha Z9 and that was quite a treat.

                                                                I am wondering if you care to comment about these two new receivers.

                                                                YAMAHA RX-Z11
                                                                Review: The Yamaha RX-Z11 has the ability to transform your listening space into an 11.2CH concert venue or cineplex is unrivaled. At its new $2499 price, it’s an absolute bargain while it lasts.


                                                                Unprecedented Audio Performance

                                                                * Trilateral Sound Development for the HD Audio era
                                                                * Discrete 11-channel amplifier configuration delivering a total of 1,180W (140W x 7 + 50W x 4)
                                                                * Digital ToP-ART and High Current Amplification with high quality and custom-built audio-grade parts and devices used throughout
                                                                * Super Stable Chassis design

                                                                High Sound Quality
                                                                * New Pure Direct for lossless audio formats also
                                                                * Pure Ground DAC Concept
                                                                * High quality preamplifier block design
                                                                * Low-Jitter PLL and Digital Clock Circuits
                                                                * High quality headphone amplifier circuit
                                                                * All-Channel Current Feedback Circuit
                                                                * Hybrid Low Noise Power Supply
                                                                * Symmetrical Layout and New Power Circuit Layout
                                                                * Low-impedance, minimum loop print pattern
                                                                * Thick aluminum panels and large, heavy feet

                                                                Advanced Features
                                                                * Network port to connect a PC and Yamaha MCX-2000 or access the Internet Radio via LAN
                                                                * Compatible with Windows Vista & Windows Media Player 11 as well as Windows Media Connect
                                                                * PlaysForSure (Vista-compatible) network device support
                                                                * 2 USB ports (1 on front, 1 on rear) to connect USB memory devices or portable audio players
                                                                * Supports MTP devices and Mass Storage Class devices
                                                                * Supports 500mA power from USB port
                                                                * Supports USB HDD (FAT32 format, up to 2TB)
                                                                * iPod compatibility via optional Yamaha Universal Dock YDS-10
                                                                * Advanced YPAO (Yamaha Parametric Room Acoustic Optimizer) for automatic speaker setup
                                                                * Multiple point measurement feature for multiple listening positions
                                                                * Specialized parametric equalizer for standing wave reduction
                                                                * Speaker angle measurement feature for optimized CINEMA DSP
                                                                * HD Radio™ digital broadcast reception capability
                                                                * XM ready with XM HD Surround powered by Neural-THX Surround Decoder
                                                                * Multiple Subwoofer connection capability
                                                                * 6 or 8-channel additional input jacks for discrete multi-channel inputs
                                                                * 10 System Memories for Main Zone and 4 System Memories for other each Zone
                                                                * GUI on-screen display of six languages: English, French, German, Spanish, Russian and Japanese

                                                                Versatile Zone Control

                                                                * Intelligent assignable amplifiers: bi-amping and multi-zone control (Zone 2/Zone 3/Zone 4)
                                                                * Preamplifier Mode
                                                                * Zone 2 video output (component and composite) with OSD capability Zone 2 digital audio output (coaxial)
                                                                * Party Mode
                                                                * Display of song data and radio information on zone OSDs
                                                                * Sleep timer and mute level for all zones
                                                                * Zone Mono
                                                                * Flexible and assignable dual +12V trigger outs

                                                                High Picture Quality
                                                                * Latest HDMI 1.3a specification supports Deep Color (30/36 bit) transmission, xvYCC color space, 120Hz and 24Hz Refresh Rates and Auto Lip-Sync compensation
                                                                * Analog and HDMI digital video signal upscaling to Full HD 1080p and downscaling to 480p format
                                                                * Analog video to HDMI digital video upconversion capability
                                                                * 4 Component Video in and 2 monitor outs

                                                                Surround Realism
                                                                * New CINEMA DSP HD3 creates lush, dense, accurate sound field
                                                                * THX Ultra2 Plus surround modes

                                                                * Improved Compressed Music Enhancer
                                                                * Adaptive DRC (Dynamic Range Control) and DSP effect level controlling capability
                                                                * SILENT CINEMA and Virtual CINEMA DSP

                                                                Possibly most important is that the RX-Z11's features a pre-amplifier mode that can disable the power amplifier circuitry and allow the internal pre-amp to be paired with an external, ultra high-end power amplifier, where the main zone pre-out passes a full 11.2 channels of audio, complete with the RX-Z11's full range of decoding, DSP and speaker configuration output


                                                                The other one is the Pioneer Elite SC-09TX

                                                                Professional audio technology at home. The SC-09TX is the first to use Sampling Rate Converter (SRC). Traditionally used in professional audio equipment for sound studios, the audio scaler oversamples all audio signals to 193kHz, creating accurate time information of a sound field for jitter-free playback.

                                                                Beyond "realistic" sound. Real surround sound is possible when the original sound mix is preserved. THX® Loudness Plus provides accurate reproduction even at high volume levels, giving the true impact of your movies at any volume.

                                                                Full band phase control. Eliminates "phase lag" so your audio hits at the precisely the right time for a whole new level in multi-channel sound production.

                                                                Also this seems like very interesting technology

                                                                THX Loudness Plus™


                                                                THX Loudness Plus™ is a new volume control technology featured in THX Ultra2 Plus™ and THX Select2 Plus™ Certified pre-amps, integrated systems and receivers. With THX Loudness Plus, home theater audiences can now experience the rich details and ambient sound in a surround mix at any volume level. Why is this important? All movies, music and games are mixed at a Reference Level in the studio, to be played back at the same Reference Level in the cinema or home theater (0 db on the volume dial for THX Certified Receivers is the studio Reference Level). However, most consumers find Reference Level to be too loud for their homes. Still, turning the volume down often means that elements of movie, music and other soundtracks can be lost or perceived differently by the listener from the original sound mix.

                                                                By leveraging its knowledge and expertise in psychoacoustics and surround sound, THX created THX Loudness Plus to maintain the integrity of soundtracks when listening below Reference Level. THX Loudness Plus compensates for the tonal and spatial shifts that occur when the volume level is reduced. By automatically raising the levels of the ambient sound, users experience the true impact of movies, music and games regardless of the volume setting.


                                                                THX Loudness Plus: The Technology
                                                                THX Loudness Plus incorporates two new THX Technologies. As the user changes the volume, THX Multi-channel Spectral Balancing™ and THX Dynamic Ambience Preservation™ automatically and seamlessly apply the appropriate compensation. This delivers a more accurate listening experience at any volume level.

                                                                * THX Multi-channel Spectral Balancing™: adjusts frequency response to counter the perceptual loss of low and high frequency sound in all channels. Begins with a flat response at Reference Level, and continually adjusts the response as the user selects lower listening levels. The equalization is applied to all channels in a multi-channel listening environment.
                                                                * THX Dynamic Ambience Preservation™: Surround channel processing preserves the spatial detail that is lost when listening below Reference Level. It automatically shapes the output on surround channels to maintain the perceived balance in the original mix.

                                                                How it Works
                                                                THX Loudness Plus automatically adjusts the front-to-back speaker level relationship as the user turns the volume level down.
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                                                                • RebelMan
                                                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                  • 3139

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by wettou
                                                                  Its seems that you have first hand experience with the SSP-800 and was wondering if you were one of their beta tester or had already had access to this unit?
                                                                  My experience with the SSP-800 comes second hand although my connection has first hand experience. Biased? Maybe, but then who isn't? Regardless, his comments align with the specifications and I trust his judgment. He is after all primarily responsible for the existing sound of the Delta line which I vehemently endorse.

                                                                  I am wondering if you care to comment about these two new receivers.
                                                                  Comment in what way?
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                                                                  • wettou
                                                                    Ultra Senior Member
                                                                    • May 2006
                                                                    • 3389

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Have you listen to them?
                                                                    Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                                                                    • hifiguymi
                                                                      Super Senior Member
                                                                      • Mar 2007
                                                                      • 1532

                                                                      #35
                                                                      The Pioneer Elite SC-09TX is supposed to be shipping this month, so I doubt many people have heard it.

                                                                      Eric

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                                                                      • lgsdds
                                                                        Junior Member
                                                                        • May 2007
                                                                        • 9

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I have followed your discussions about the SSP-800, but this is my first contribution. For all concerned, I was in touch with Dave Nauber last week and he informed me that Classe is now accepting orders for the '800' with a hoped for delivery in May. I placed my order to upgrade from my SSP-600.

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                                                                        • wettou
                                                                          Ultra Senior Member
                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                          • 3389

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Interesting, I have a few questions:

                                                                          - What is the price, still $8,000 US
                                                                          - Has Classe made a press release or brochure available?
                                                                          - Will they upgrade the SSP-800 to support Dolby Digital Tru HD and DTS Master Audio?
                                                                          Will the upgrade be free? When will it be available?

                                                                          Thanks
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                                                                          • RebelMan
                                                                            Ultra Senior Member
                                                                            • Mar 2005
                                                                            • 3139

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by wettou
                                                                            Have you listen to them?
                                                                            No. Saw the Pioneer on display at CES though.
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                                                                            • RebelMan
                                                                              Ultra Senior Member
                                                                              • Mar 2005
                                                                              • 3139

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by lgsdds
                                                                              Classe is now accepting orders for the '800' with a hoped for delivery in May.
                                                                              True. They've had a backlog which may incur some delays.
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                                                                              • RebelMan
                                                                                Ultra Senior Member
                                                                                • Mar 2005
                                                                                • 3139

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by wettou
                                                                                - What is the price, still $8,000 US
                                                                                - Has Classe made a press release or brochure available?
                                                                                - Will they upgrade the SSP-800 to support Dolby Digital Tru HD and DTS Master Audio?
                                                                                Will the upgrade be free? When will it be available?
                                                                                - Yes, $8K US.
                                                                                - No, not yet. But they are working on it.
                                                                                - The upgrade would support all the advanced audio codecs up to and including DTHD and dts-HDMA. Upgrade specifics including costs will be made public at the same time the SSP-800 is officially announced. The upgrade will not be available until late in the year at the earliest.
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                                                                                • wettou
                                                                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                  • 3389

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Do you know when the Classé SSP-800 will be officially announced. I heard from Dave N. at Classé that dealers will accept orders starting next week.

                                                                                  I am not sure I want to order anything until I have had a chance to hear it and read a bit more about it.
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                                                                                  • RebelMan
                                                                                    Ultra Senior Member
                                                                                    • Mar 2005
                                                                                    • 3139

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    The deadline has been a moving target. Probably when the product is ready to ship in the first part of May.
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                                                                                    • sc2
                                                                                      Member
                                                                                      • Feb 2008
                                                                                      • 65

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      According to my dealer, as of this week, Classe has yet to recieve the chip, but they do have a whole bunch units preassembled, just waiting for it :T

                                                                                      He told me he had already pre-ordered 10 units, I'm second on this list

                                                                                      Steve
                                                                                      Last edited by sc2; 05 April 2008, 16:36 Saturday.
                                                                                      Steve

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                                                                                      • wettou
                                                                                        Ultra Senior Member
                                                                                        • May 2006
                                                                                        • 3389

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        What chip are you talking about? The one that will support advanced audio codec?
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                                                                                        • sc2
                                                                                          Member
                                                                                          • Feb 2008
                                                                                          • 65

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by wettou
                                                                                          What chip are you talking about? The one that will support advanced audio codec?
                                                                                          The following was borrowed/ stolen from someone else...


                                                                                          The DSP will be an upgradeable MDS DAE-7 module which is based on the TI Aureus processor chip. Unlike other DAE kits all of the DSP support architecture and circuitry including power supplies, ADCs and DACs are engineered by Classe’. The DAE-7 will not support the decoding of the high-definition audio codecs like Dolby Digital Plus and TrueHD and DTS-HD HRA and MA but it will support all the standard audio codecs and multi-channel LPCM. HDMI 1.3a is included as is support for Deep Color video.

                                                                                          Classe’s supplier of the DSP’s could not make a solid commitment to produce a high-definition compatible module in time for the SSP’s launch. Later when MDS makes an upgrade available that supports the new codecs Classe’ may offer it to their customer’s for no extra charge. Classe’ is “expecting” something later this year, perhaps in the fall sometime but it’s still up in the air.

                                                                                          Steve
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