Pics of the Midnight Ladies

[Jesse111]

Yes indeed, the ladies look great naked when it's time to have fun and play.

But they also look great all dressed up in their black evening gowns and ready to go out for the evening.

The Velodyne has integrated perfectly for my taste. The flat line frequency response is a testimony to the room and Velodyne technology. Can't imagine the system without it.

As regards power, the 501 Macs do the job with ease for me. The meters hover around the 50 watts for the most part and rarely peak past 500.

I have found after 15 hours of listening that I prefer the system with flat bass, slightly increased midrange and a significant increase in treble. The 800Ds handle my prefered equalization taste with absolute grace and perfection. The music is truly alive. My brother came over for a visit last night and commented "sounds like the music isn't even coming from the speakers". Yes indeed. Another civilian compliment.

I'm not absolutely positive if they are placed optimally but they could be. I may try a few more possiblities but this may very well be the final placement.

22.5 inches from the back wall. About 9 feet between the speakers measured at the tweeters.

[Lewing]

Great pictures Jesse! Do you have acoustic treatment in that room?


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[Arneson]

The pictures tell 5000 words.
You should have been in one of them, taking a bow.

[Jesse111]

The pictures tell 5000 words.
You should have been in one of them, taking a bow.

Thank you Lewing and Arneson, I made one last adjustment as regards placement. I went way outside the box and spread the ladies 11.5 feet apart and backed them closer to the wall. The remaining magic that I was looking for came out. I will in fact take another pic of the absolute final location along with myself in the pic. It's been great fun checking out all the capabilities and different sounds with placement but it is tremendously rewarding when you know you've nailed it. When goose bumps ran up my arms I knew I had it.

Having great fun.

[Jesse111]

The pictures tell 5000 words.
You should have been in one of them, taking a bow.

Final location with yours truly, one fortunate fellow.

[Jesse111]

Great pictures Jesse! Do you have acoustic treatment in that room?


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Yes I sure do. Acoustic tile on for ceiling. Carpet floor and RPG foam on the walls and corners.

http://www.rpginc.com/products/profoam/index.htm

[jericho]

Very nice system Jesse, now another pair of those 501's to bi-amp :T

[misterdoggy]

Jesse,

Congrats, beautiful system. !!

[ShadowZA]

What beautiful "ladies" those 800D's are :yesnod:

Congratulations on your magnificent system, Jesse :T

[BlazeMaster]

great setup Jesse111. Very well done, love the simple look. How big is that room? Can you post more pictures of that room?

[Race Car Driver]

yup, looks like you have the room for them!
Looks great

[yourtoys7]

WOW, WOW, WOW,
nothing else to say.......

[PavelL]

:clap: :clap: :clap: standing ovation

[Briz vegas]

wow ! Looks pretty amazing

You say they use 50w in normal use. Thats alot of juice.

Most systems like mine use about 1w. What sort of db level do you listen at? Most of the time I try (I did say try) to keep my listening at no more than 75db max. Don't mean to sound like your GP, but the specs say the sensitivity on 800Ds isn't that bad so you may have to sue youself in later life over workplace health and safety, or is that listening room health and safety :lol: :righton: :righton: :righton: :righton: :righton:


Legal disclaimer. The person gratuitously dispensing advice on listening levels is not a qualified GP (MD), audiologist, or the individuals wife/mother/mother inlaw..................or neighbour.

[Arneson]

I love high db's for a while.

Rock on down with yer bad self.

[gerardhn]

Perfect system!!!!!

2.5 inches from the back wall. About 9 feet between the speakers measured at the tweeters

But when oh when do the Americans adept SI units (Meters). Even UK uses meters, kg and C. !!!!

[misterdoggy]

I've been thinking about 800D's, but I've heard that they need some space to sound good.

Any feedback on this. A what size room is adequate ?

[norpus]

Excellent system there Jesse, well done

[Russ L]

;x( When will this standing ovation end! Congrats, you have many years of Top Flight listening ahead of you. -Russ

[monkeyboy69]

that walls just begging for a projection screen

[Jesse111]

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wow ! Looks pretty amazing

You say they use 50w in normal use. Thats alot of juice.

Most systems like mine use about 1w. What sort of db level do you listen at? Most of the time I try (I did say try) to keep my listening at no more than 75db max. Don't mean to sound like your GP, but the specs say the sensitivity on 800Ds isn't that bad so you may have to sue youself in later life over workplace health and safety, or is that listening room health and safety :lol: :righton: :righton: :righton: :righton: :righton:


Legal disclaimer. The person gratuitously dispensing advice on listening levels is not a qualified GP (MD), audiologist, or the individuals wife/mother/mother inlaw..................or neighbour.

LOL, you are correct my friend. 5.0 is what I meant to say, not 50. Actually about 5-25 watts normal listening. Of course you have to blow out the carbon once in awhile which I've done at 400+ for a song or two but only after a few drinks. :T

[Jesse111]

that walls just begging for a projection screen

You are not the first to tell me that. Yes it would be perfect and I could put one of those roll down screens in there I guess but I just don't have the desire for it. I have my 45 inch LCD (Velodyne sinewave) on wheels that I roll in for a movie now and then but thats about it. That big wall is used for image and soundstage "viewing" and is purposely blank so as to avoid in visual distractions for the serious 2 channel listener that I am.

[Jesse111]

great setup Jesse111. Very well done, love the simple look. How big is that room? Can you post more pictures of that room?

20 wide 25 deep and 8 high. Yes I will be happy to post a few more pics a bit later. Thanks for asking.

[Jesse111]

I've been thinking about 800D's, but I've heard that they need some space to sound good.

Any feedback on this. A what size room is adequate ?

They do have a big sound but I'm not so sure you need a terribly big room. You definately would not need a sub in a smaller room in my opinion but I feel they would work very well in a smaller room than I have (20wide 25deep 8high). They play extremely well at low volume so if you have the funds and want the best I'd say get em unless you live in a closet. :T

[Indytown]

They do have a big sound but I'm not so sure you need a terribly big room. You definately would not need a sub in a smaller room in my opinion but I feel they would work very well in a smaller room than I have (20wide 25deep 8high). They play extremely well at low volume so if you have the funds and want the best I'd say get em unless you live in a closet. :T

Jesse111,

What happened to the Classe CAM 400's ? I know the MAC 501 sounds better.

Indy

[Indytown]

I've been thinking about 800D's, but I've heard that they need some space to sound good.

Any feedback on this. A what size room is adequate ?

The right equipment is more important for the room. You are right they do need some room if you play them using over 100 watts of power.

[Jesse111]

Jesse111,

What happened to the Classe CAM 400's ? I know the MAC 501 sounds better.

Indy

I sold the Classe's on Audiogon. I do prefer the Macs but the Classe's were also very nice. They're built extremely well. Rock solid performance. I'd actually be completely happy with either company.

[caleb]

Well done Jesse, you won't regret the extra you paid.

Just a comment - I have found with my 800s that they do like to be away from the walls, particularly the back walls a bit more than your 22.5".

MIne have 1.5 metres away from both the sides and the rear.

Just try it and see what benefits you get.

[Jesse111]

Well done Jesse, you won't regret the extra you paid.

Just a comment - I have found with my 800s that they do like to be away from the walls, particularly the back walls a bit more than your 22.5".

MIne have 1.5 metres away from both the sides and the rear.

Just try it and see what benefits you get.

Sounds good and I'm interested in the distance that you sit from the wall straight in front of you.

[caleb]

My 800s are 1.5 metres from the front and side walls, and I sit 4.00 metres from the speakers.

That makes wall to seating position 5.5 metres.

My Theatre is about 6 1/2 metres wide and just over 8 metres long.

[misterdoggy]

Caleb,

I was just reading about position and the author said that in a rectangular room ideally speaking, the speaker should be on the short wall facing down the long wall in to the longer part of the rectangle.

[VictorHRS]

Congrats Jesse! ;x( Looks very good! And I bet it sounds even better than it looks!

What I found most impressive is the very flat bass response that you get all the way from 15hz! Very nice! What are your crossover settings in the DD18? I also have one paired with 802Ds, amazing sub, but because of my problematic room I can't get a response as flat as yours. I have a dip around 80hz and a boost at 125hz.

Enjoy!

[caleb]

Caleb,

I was just reading about position and the author said that in a rectangular room ideally speaking, the speaker should be on the short wall facing down the long wall in to the longer part of the rectangle.

Yes - that is the way my room is set out Mr doggy - sorry if my wording was misleading.


I have not finished some alterations to the room so there will be some piccies posted soon.

[misterdoggy]

Calebm

Look forward to seeing some Pics.

Just spent a fortune on 2 new Mono Amps (Levinson 436's) and trying to justify changing my 802D's for 800D's is difficult.

Might even say that the difference between the 802D and the 800D is there, but is it night and day.

I've read articles that say the 802D is considered superior to the N800's. I know the 800D's are a superior speaker, but how much better than the 802D's?

Can anyone give some feedback ?

[Jesse111]

Calebm

Look forward to seeing some Pics.

Just spent a fortune on 2 new Mono Amps (Levinson 436's) and trying to justify changing my 802D's for 800D's is difficult.

Might even say that the difference between the 802D and the 800D is there, but is it night and day.

I've read articles that say the 802D is considered superior to the N800's. I know the 800D's are a superior speaker, but how much better than the 802D's?

Can anyone give some feedback ?

The 800 is 2 inches tall and much heavier. While (I feel) the overall larger size and taller height play a role improving the stage of sound, that may just as well be a matter of opinion. However, I find the 800D to have an obvious better mid bass control over the 802D. That alone is worth the extra expense to me. The audible difference is worth it in my book. It's a personal call for sure because the 802 is better than just about anything else out there other than the 800 in my view. If it's a black and white issue of wanting the best like it was for me, then the 800D is the only way to go. If money is an issue then the 802 is an excellent choice. If you have good flexible electronics you can tune the 802D's to do a tremendous job. If you have the money and are asking wether or not it's worth the difference, I think you will find virtually all 800D owners will say yes.

[misterdoggy]

The 800 is 2 inches tall and much heavier. While (I feel) the overall larger size and taller height play a role improving the stage of sound, that may just as well be a matter of opinion. However, I find the 800D to have an obvious better mid bass control over the 802D. That alone is worth the extra expense to me. The audible difference is worth it in my book. It's a personal call for sure because the 802 is better than just about anything else out there other than the 800 in my view. If it's a black and white issue of wanting the best like it was for me, then the 800D is the only way to go. If money is an issue then the 802 is an excellent choice. If you have good flexible electronics you can tune the 802D's to do a tremendous job. If you have the money and are asking wether or not it's worth the difference, I think you will find virtually all 800D owners will say yes.

I thought you would say that.

The bigger problem is the size and weight and bringing another HIFi equipment of this size in to the house both physically but more importantly how to justify this with my wife

This might have to be put on Hold. I saw someone selling a used pair 800D's for 13,000 euros, but they were in Finland, not next store.

I could get 8000 Euros for my 802D's easy, so add 5500 euros and we're there. Hmmmmm

[Jesse111]

I thought you would say that.

The bigger problem is the size and weight and bringing another HIFi equipment of this size in to the house both physically but more importantly how to justify this with my wife

This might have to be put on Hold. I saw someone selling a used pair 800D's for 13,000 euros, but they were in Finland, not next store.

I could get 8000 Euros for my 802D's easy, so add 5500 euros and we're there. Hmmmmm

Wife Justification??? Well let me tell you fella, you've come to the right place.

Check out the next post.

[Jesse111]

Wife justifying experts needed.

Ok gentlemen, we need some real world experience and advice justifying the purchase of a pair of 800D's to the wife for our good friend misterdoggy. I know we brothers here at the B&W forum have the most experience and best wisdom the world has to offer on this matter.

I'll be happy to start off;

"Honey, my other choice is the Vonschiekert VR-10 Mk II. It costs 55,000 more than the B&W's and is twice as big. Which one do you think I should get?"

[misterdoggy]

Well thats not a lot of help

The replay to what ever I say is "Whats wrong with the 802D's"

remember this is in the living room not the private listening room like you've got Jesse.

The 802D's are already "overwhelming" as far as she is concerned.

275 lbs speakers moving in to the living area whoa.

I will have to wait until she goes to the states to vist here relatives, and sneak them in the room like nothing has changed ?

Errr Whats that ? Whats What ? Oh just a small modification. Saved money and was able to sell the other ones at a profit and put it toward these.

That sounds good doesn't it ?

[Jesse111]

LOL, yes it does. Man, that is smooth as silk. If you can pull that one off, do it.

[misterdoggy]

What has the world come to, grown men running around like children making up stories......

All I want to do is play with my toys ?

They say the the difference between the men the the boys is the price of their toys, `i guess its true huh

[PavelL]

I'll be happy to start off;

STOP RIGHT THERE!!!
somebody help his wife! :lol:
kidding - I'm pretty sure Misterdoggy knows his ways :W

[ShadowZA]

You could always show her a pic of the Avantgarde Trio Classico horn-loaded loudspeaker system & say:

"Mmmm, honey ... I've been thinking about these ... we will have to break out the dining room & bedroom to fit these babies in ... then there are the basshorns ... a c t u a l l y ... why don't I just settle for the 800D's ... they're just a leeeetle bigger than the 802D's and they do sound better as a final upgrade."

Then keep your fingers crossed.

Truth is, your idea about the visit to the relatives is tops. Allows for time for the 800D's to break in too. :twisted:

[Jesse111]

What has the world come to, grown men running around like children making up stories......

You know what they say; A happy wife is a happy life.

[misterdoggy]

You know what they say; A happy wife is a happy life.

Yeah and Shakespeare said "Hell hath no fury like a women scorn"

When their happy everything is cool, but when their not......

Well that's when you need Jesse's stereo room to go hide out ;x(